Volume 27 (1944, 45) / Pages 2215 - 2216
Mr. NIXON: On a point of order. The Minister is speaking by permission of the House-permission I very reluctantly consented to give-in order to reply to points that were raised, and he launches out to say that Members of the House have already approached him to get people jobs in the Trust. Following that up, I think, having regard to the circumstances under which he is speaking, quite apart from your ruling, his own honour should suggest that he name these Members. Then we shall see if they are the Members who turned over to support him.
Mr. SPEAKER: The hon. Member has raised a point of order. I can see no point of order in what he raised.
Mr. HENDERSON: Can a Minister in this House get up and make a statement like that, impugning the honour of Members of the House? It was a serious statement alleging corruption on the part of Members of this House, who are supposed to stand for what is right and just, and in the interests of the electors. The statement was that before the Bill is passed Members are actually canvassing to get positions for some of their friends.
Mr. SPEAKER: I do not see any corruption. The hon. Gentleman makes the statement on his own responsibility. I do not see any corruption.
Mr. BEATTIE: There has been an inference in the remark made by the right hon. Gentleman that could apply to any hon. Member of this House at any particular time. I think it would be in the best interests of Parliamentary procedure and good feeling in this House that the Minister should withdraw that remark.
Mr. SPEAKER: On the point of order, I am sure the right-hon. Gentleman did not mean to imply that there was any question of corruption of any sort or kind.
Mr. GRANT: Some people get very thin-skinned when it suits them.
Mr. BEATTIE. I am not a bit thin-skinned.
Mr. GRANT: I only pointed out that the Government were attacked for having
a larger number of civil servants than they should have, and I said that hon. Members had approached me to see if there was any possibility of people getting employment in connection with the Trust.
Dr. LYLE: Name them.
Mr. GRANT: For the life of me I cannot see where corruption comes in.
Mr. NIXON: Name them !
Mr. BEATTIE: Name them ! I have not approached you.
Mr. NIXON: I have not approached the Minister.
Dr. LYLE: I wish to raise a point of order.
Mr. SPEAKER: Order, order. Perhaps the hon. Member will resume his seat. Is the hon. Member raising a point of order?
Dr. LYLE: I believe so.
Mr. SPEAKER: Is the hon. Member certain?
Dr. LYLE: I am not certain.
Mr. SPEAKER: Dr. Lyle.
Dr. LYLE: The right hon. Gentleman has referred to certain Members of this House raising the question of the excessive number of civil servants and, at the same time, approaching him to get posts for their friends under this Bill As very few hon. Members of this House raised the point of the excessive number of civil servants, and as I was one among the few who did so, I hope I am in order in raising this point and challenging the Minister to name the hon. Members of the House who approached him. If it is not corruption at any rate it is improper.
Mr. SPEAKER: As far as the Chair is concerned no point of order arises.
Mr. NIXON: Did not the House give the Minister permission to reply to the points raised 2 It did not give him permission to insult hon. Members.
Mr. SPEAKER: Order, order. I cannot have two hon. Members on the floor at the same time. If the hon. Member wishes to raise a point of order I am quite willing to take it. The